“As Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine continues with catastrophic human consequences - just how bad can things get? What sort of atrocities could Putin’s regime inflict to subjugate the nation, including conquering its cities, not least Kyiv? And with siren voices in the West calling for a No Fly Zone - which would entail war with a nuclear armed power - is an apocalyptic scenario unthinkable?

We’re joined by Ukrainian social scientist Volodymyr Ishchenko and by Beatrice Fihn, executive director of the International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons.”

Volodymyr Ishchenko
Owen Jones

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